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March 17, 2008

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I think that these are all good questions. And, like the Catholics who practice IVF. They have an answer.

Because unlike the money given to poor people, this money is used to keep good jobs. Also they create wealth when it is working right.

I think we need to have people USE those arguments and see if they are in fact real. Because they might not be. I want to see the NEXT step in this bail out. Personal responsiblity if they can't prove that this 14,000 jobs and tax base will be saved.

What also would be nice is to insert these question into the bail out WHILE IT IS HAPPENING. So that the people in favor of the bail out will have to make explicit the underlying story about why these people deserve it more than the people in Katrina.

SPOCKO! Good to see your smilin' name in print. Welcome back to the 'tubes!

This happened with the savings and loan crisis during Reagan and Bush I and with Enron and Global Crossing just a few years ago. The gov't will always come to the rescue of those who give it the most attention and hard currency. These companies are the safety net of government whores (No Eliot, not whores supported by the government) who leave to go to the private sector. Keeping them fat, rich and happy is Bush Jr. number one job.

Katrina, the CA fires, all of the real challenges that faced this government went unanswered and neglected. They involved real people, people who aren't Pioneers and Mavericks, or can give thousands to support a slew of nasty lobbyists. Since these people can't help Bush, they don't exist. Bush looks out over New Orleans and sees open land that his friends can build hotels, casinos, and resorts. He can't understand why anyone would object to a few fat, white guys making a fair bit of coin from the suffering of a few poor folks who lost everything anyway.

I agree with Spocko, make these assholes answer the same questions and go through the same hell that Katrina victims did.

That. Was. Magnificent.

I'd like to force everyone in the world to have to listen to that rant spoken aloud with vigor in just the voice I heard in my head reading it.

God, I remember when I used to write like that. I don't know what your voice sounds like, but the voice I heard it in was mine.

You have my awed admiration.

Bravissima!!! I wish I could FORCE your rant to be heard and/or read to every stupid talking head on teevee, the entire wingnutosphere, and on the floor of the House and Senate. And I would add another question at the end, where will we get the money for the bailouts after we have spent it all on the wars?

Sorry, Spocko -- those 14,000 jobs are NOT going to be saved -- Citibank already announced massive cuts last month... JPM buys Bear (what's left of it) and will slash and burn the staff -- easily 10,000 will be gone. And worse for them: just like Enron, the employees are HEAVILY invested in Bear stock!! So, they're savings just got wiped out. And the buzz over here in London is Lehman is next...

God, I love it when you're angry.

Very right on Athena, but I'll quibble on a small point.

It's not privatized profits, socialized losses. Socialized losses would come with some sort of socialized gains for the investment. This is piracy.

Krugman sez Bear Stearns apparently has

...a particularly nasty reputation. As Gretchen Morgenson of The New York Times reminds us, Bear “has often operated in the gray areas of Wall Street and with an aggressive, brass-knuckles approach.”

Bear was a major promoter of the most questionable subprime lenders. It lured customers into two of its own hedge funds that were among the first to go bust in the current crisis. And it’s a bad financial citizen: the last time the Fed tried to contain a financial crisis, after the collapse of Long-Term Capital Management in 1998, Bear refused to participate in the rescue operation.

Bear, in other words, deserved to be allowed to fail — both on the merits and to teach Wall Street not to expect someone else to clean up its messes.

These people are Bu$hie's ba$e.

These people are setting up a raid on the Treasury that may end up dwarfing anything we've spent on Iraq.

That was wonderful.

On a snarky note, who would buy Bear stock? Seems like a clear warning to me.

Then again, I possess no advanced degrees, nor am I an economist.

who would buy Bear stock?

Well that question has been answered. At $2 per share who wouldn't. JP Morgan scores a coup while the rest of us pay.

God, I love you, Athenae.

What scares me is how much liability Bear Stearns really has. You know it has to be colossal for them to be sold off at $2 a share when their headquarters building is valued at 1 BILLION. Jeebus. Their total value was something like $4 billion.

Drunken hausfrau is right--there are going to be a lot of very unhappy Bear Stearns employees in very short order.

And worse for them: just like Enron, the employees are HEAVILY invested in Bear stock!!

Well, see, that's their own fault. Everyone knows you shouldn't invest in the company you work for, cause then you lose your job AND your 401K. /snark

And that CEO of Bear EARNED his mega-million salary and bonuses, dammit, because playing bridge tournaments while your company is going bankrupt is hard, hard work.

These people piss me off soooooo much.

Bridge is hard work. It's hard work, you know. Bear's CEO had a choice - that's hard work too - he could do the really hard job, putting forth his all to win a Bridge tournament, or spending his usual 2 hours on the job, looking for someone to save Bear. But, being a manly man he went for the hard work. He played Bridge, which is hard work. Let's hope he got adequately compensated for his devotion.

I bow before your awesomeness.

From Wikipedia: "Historian Gaetano Salvemini argued in 1936 that fascism makes taxpayers responsible to private enterprise, because 'the State pays for the blunders of private enterprise… Profit is private and individual. Loss is public and social.'"

Yeah, it's a dangerous precedent. And hopefully shareholder lawsuits will make the management tear off and sell each and every diamond cross they own.

They call it an investment vehicle because it's designed to drive off with your money.

THANK YOU.

so, when can we have that class war?

Class War this Friday, and we can eat the rich for Easter. (And I will bite the heads off first.)

Bravo, Bra-fucking-vo

Blast Off Radio by Sinfonian read from this piece today. It's need the top of the show (only a few minutes into it. He doesn't use the swear words though. Check it out.
http://flprogressive.blogspot.com/2008/03/blast-off-radio-today-at-200-pm-eastern.html

Brilliant rant A. I think Keith Olbermann needs to channel you for one of his special comments.

Bravo.

you can nail it, girl, you certainly can!

you can nail it, girl, you certainly can!

Nice. Thank you.

As I understand it the rank and file employees of the company and it's shareholders would probably have come out better through a normal bankruptcy, but the boss wanted to sell so as to limit his legal liabilities. I bet he is a proud and upstanding member of the party that touts "moral values". Probably at least a "Pioneer" or "Ranger" for the shrub.

Is using public funds to save companies from the errors of their ways fair? Of course. That is the fairest decision that money can buy.

Bush on The haves and have mores. Some people call you the elite...I call you my base. Chuckles from the crowd.

Haves and have Mores

Awesome and true.

now print that on a chair.

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