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February 05, 2009

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Granted it's not a newspaper, but my favorite print publication EVER is Orion Magazine....NFP always has been. It's impeccable. And there are No Ads.

But it's in Great Barrington so commie and doesn't count I guess.

I though you were above blegging, A. Oh well bleggar's can't be choosers at the bleggar's banquet. I could do this all night but I shant.

While not foundation-owned, I did work on a web-only, nonprofit newspaper for a while just a few years ago, The NewStandard (newstandardnews.net--the website appears not to be working at the moment, but the founders of the paper plan to have the content online somewhere for posterity's sake). It was run by a collective under a parecon model and we published some excellent, award-winning news for a few years before the the pressures of trying to publish every day and pay people while remaining entirely reader-funded proved too much for the small group of us involved (the content itself was free, but we did ask for donations and actually received enough to keep going for a few years).

I loved writing for the paper and am proud of the work I and my colleagues there did. As we realized that the model we were operating under was not quite working, we had a whole bunch of discussions over how to keep the thing alive but foundation money was out of the question because of concerns about being, or appearing to be, beholden to any particular agenda. (We never considered taking ads either for similar reasons.)

In retrospect, I think that if we had been willing to consider seeking foundation support, well The NewStandard would still be around and I'd still be a reporter. I don't see why a daily can't function well along similar lines as The Nation, taking financial support from a foundation, reader contributions and subscriptions, and advertising. I mean, The Nation's grown in readership and stature while most other newsweeklies are struggling as they kowtow to the free market gods.

Govt support of the newspapers as a non-profit. Can't help but remember Tass and Pravda.

Escariot, if you like The Onion, also have a look at the "Journal of Irreproducable Results" aka "The Worm Runners Digest". Its only something like $50 a year.

Maple, government support is different from foundation support. That's the other problem with a lot of the reporting on this, that they confuse the two. I wouldn't be okay with any kind of government-funded news media but there's no reason private foundations have to receive government funds.

A.

Aren't there major successful non-profit venues in each of venues that Shafer says is killing newspapers. PBS was one of 4 channels I got as a kid and the BBC seems, you know, kind of OK. C-Span is a non-profit endowed by the cable industry, right? Wikipedia is non-profit. Craigslist is for-profit but in a user focused "we only give the user what they want and they never asked for ads" model. I used to ask my local FL paper for more local political coverage and to stop throwing the paper under the car but they didn't listen. Craig Newmark listens. Can I get the full GFE from Pinch Sulzberger? I think not.

I don't know the figures today but here's Slate founder Michael Kinsley on how the online magazine was divorced from "market pressures".

Kinsley: "People say that the only reason you're still around...is that you're bankrolled by Microsoft. Certainly it's been very good to work for Microsoft. They are a fantastic, really perfect owner of this media property. (But) if we had lost as much as some of these other content sites, Microsoft would have shut us down years ago. On the other hand, if these places had been losing as little as us, they'd still have most of their venture-capital nest eggs left."

Has Slate made dollar one yet? And I don't mean in a given year, I mean paid back the money it lost to start. Shouldn't you pay off your mortgage before you start talking smack the renters down the street? Lots of people open little tea shops or comic book stores and lose money for years and finally call it a success when the enterprise (which they value) finally learns to tread water. Isn't that being tested by some kind of force more powerful than the market? Conjuring something into existence and making it REAL, regardless of number tax code you file, is quite a test. Is Jack Shafer and Slate somehow more tested because it was Microsoft footing the bill for all those years instead of a non-profit board? Shafer is saying 'Show me the money!' and A is saying 'Show me the paper!'. Market forces put a half-naked 16 year old Britney Spears in school girl outfit singing 'Hit Me Baby One More Time'. It's done far worse to the news business.

Hi Athenae. Just to tackle one part of your epic rant, Shafer seems to miss - or won't acknowledge - that for-profits answer just as strictly to patrons, except theirs are called advertisers.

Two points, both from memory so no links accompanying. A girl I briefly dated had worked for Stars & Stripes and told me that her paper wasn't eligible for big journalism awards because they were government run and presumably tainted by the need to appease their masters. Around that same time a local car dealer who called himself Mr. Big Volume had a big blowout used car sale with an advertised price of $50 for some cars. One of the dealerships - since God has a great sense of humor it happened to be the one located in an insufferably snobbish upscale suburb - had a literal, full scale riot. It made CNN - helicopter footage. BREAKING! Riot at Mr. Big Volume! He was also a major advertiser in the Plain Dealer. Next day's paper? Not. One. Word. Their reporters are eligible for Pulitzers, however.

Good point A

According to Carl Hiaasen, the St. Pete Times is among the top 3 best papers in the country the other 2, I suppose, being the NY Times and the WaPo). A surprise since he works (a little) at the Miami Geraldo.

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