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May 20, 2009

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Wilful blindness to the Holocaust. AIDS promotion in Africa. Almost a century's worth of systemic child abuse and attempted genocide in "residential schools" in Canada. Pedophile priests raping children (of both sexes, mind) for over 50 years with full institutional knowledge in the US. 35 000+ "disappeared" women in Ireland. Somebody explain to me why the Vatican isn't considered a terrorist state already...

Don't get me wrong -- I have nothing against Catholics qua Catholics, but the Catholic Church as an institution has a hell of a lot of 'splainin' to do.

Speaking of the axis of evil, doesn't it run right through the middle of the papacy? That has been my quiet opinion for many years. Saints? LOL

spare the rod, spoil the child. that's biblical. not sure about child molestation tho.

Fuck Catholicism.

Oh, was that uncivil and intolerant of me? Here's my answer to that(extends middle finger).

Ah, yes.

Power corrupts.

Where the power is absolute so will be the corruption.

The "Church" has had absolute power for damn near 1,800 years.

Are we surprised it's been absolutely filled with corruption for roughly 1,970 years?

(Because, seriously, that first bunch of near-communists in Jerusalem, before Saul of Tarsus showed up, were onto something IMNHVO).

As an Irish Catholic, hearing these stories cuts me to the core. It is so awful I can't even put it into words and I don't blame abuse victims for feeling enraged. But we must recognize that these same things were happening in public institutions as well, which demonstrates that the physical abuse and labor were socially sanctioned. There is no excuse for the sexual abuse--it was abuse then and it is abuse today. But today, what we consider beatings and slavery was considered corporal punishment and hard work even 50 years ago. Public as well as private schools and orphanages beat and molested children, and it wasn't until the early 20th cent. until our labor laws came into existence--to say nothing of their being enforced. When we criticize the church we also need to criticize the secular world that practiced these same things or turned a blind eye. I am not excusing the church I am only putting these things in historical context.

sorry, I disagree. Yes, children abandoned by their families are often the targets for abuse in orphanages, religious or secular.

The Magdalene laundries, though, are another thing altogether. These Catholic institutions held adult women against their will as slaves, using their sexual "sins" as justification for doing so. that has not happened in recent history in secular institutions or even protestant ones. You need to look at the sick Jensenist Irish Catholic culture and know that the very warped attitudes towards women and sex allowed this to happen. Irish Catholics need to own it. I say that as an Irish Catholic American.

The world needs a big enema to flush all the Abrahamic bullshit right out of it.

Maire, you're correct to note that institutional abuse of children (and others of limited autonomy) was widespread in many "civilized" countries.

I'd argue though, that these actions, when taken by the church, represent an even greater trespass. The great mother church operated as the agent of divinity and morality on earth, intercessors and gatekeepers between humans and god, claiming a license that was above the laws of man, and absolute.

What's saddest about the release of the Ryan Report and the investigations preceding it, is that the survivors of the Magdalene Laundries were completely ignored. They are not eligible for any redress from the Board nor were any of the few testimonies given taken seriously. Mr Justice Ryan ruled that the Magdalenes were ineligible for consideration because a) they were 'adult women' (yet we have piles of evidence showing girls as young as 12 were remanded to Laundries) and b) they 'entered voluntarily' (again, we have damning evidence that women who tried to escape were dragged back by the Gardai -- how is this voluntary?!)

The report only covers perhaps 70% of the woeful neglect, abuse and exploitation of Irish children -- through industrial schools, convent homes, mother-baby homes (the Irish-U.S. adoption export scheme of the late 1940s through mid 1970s), etc.

So much more needs to be done. Please support us in fighting for justice, a fair pension for their unpaid labour and acknowledgement of the suffering experienced by the Magdalenes and their displaced children.

makes what happened in the decameron seem bland.

Mari, it was my understanding, or I guess mis-understanding, that it was the already-established government reparations system that had -previous to this- not included the Magdalenes on the list of those deserving of reparation.

Weren't some of the orders investigated in this report among those that ran the laundries? Did the same orders also run other institutions?

Please note: I'm not challenging you, just asking for more information. I'd like to get it right.

Yes, absolutely...many of the same orders identified in the report ran Laundries. The Sisters of mercy, Good Shepherd Sisters and Sacred Heart order ran numerous types of facilities -- mother-baby homes, convent schools, industrial schools and laundries. And yes, the Redress Board did exempt the Magdalenes in its initial 2002 report.

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