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November 06, 2009

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Sometimes, they're members of your own immigrant family. Sigh.

I've obviously been eating too much Halloween candy. When I read "giant spree of gaydom," I thought of a huge roll of rainbow-colored tart candy. Hey, wait a minute! Rainbow colored...and that Willy Wonka guy is so teh ghai!

Sorry, Doc. But this makes me sad and mad, and I deal with humor.

On the plus side, the silent haters are growing fewer in number all the time, at least as far as the gay marriage issue is concerned. The kids are all right, and the oldsters are...well...old.

I just had an extended debate about the Maine vote (and Prop 8 by extension) on Facebook, and the thing that struck me is how people don't get that their argument against gay marriage makes no sense. On the one hand, they'll say, "It's not fair to ask churches to go against their beliefs" (No one is asking churches to stop being bigoted, backwards institutions), and then in the next breath, "It's just a word, so why does it matter if we call it a civil union or a marriage?" (If it's just a word, than why do YOU guys care so much about keeping it away from the gay folk?). There is no cogent argument on that side of the debate. When I called it a referendum on a whole group of people, and said how dehumanizing that is, I get, "That's America--we get to vote on things, even if it isn't fair." Ok, wtf?

It's like there is a level of humanity that is just being stifled by a whole mass of the population. In order to avoid saying, "I am afraid of gay people because I don't understand them," which is, I think what is for a lot of people, they come up with a bunch of nonsense that sounds like a real argument. At least for the five seconds that they're saying it.

"It's just a word, so why does it matter if we call it a civil union or a marriage?"

"Because the federal government awards benefits ranging from tax breaks to discounted fishing licenses based on the words 'married' or 'spouse,' otherwise this wouldn't be an issue of fairness under the law, it would be an issue of you not liking buttsex, you backwoods hick assface."

Maybe too on the nose?

A.

Needs a little refinement, A.

Teh buttsecks haz 2 B btwn 2 d00ds.

As the kids would say.

Of course, the obvious tie in to my South Carolina connections and covert racism. The problem is that unlike your tatoo artist, you never really know if a decision is based on race (or the gay) or actually on a realistic reason.

I'll readily say again, that one of the problems in the gay marriage amendments is that "Marriage" has both religious and civil underpinnings. While it is reasonable to expect people to conform to certain community standards regarding civil issues (drive under the speed limit, etc. Although who said people are reasonable ?) it is a problem to expect religious belief to follow the community as a whole.

to hate is human.

Athenae, yeah, I made that point--about fifteen kajillion times, and the circular argument just continued. Either it's the end of the world and we are squishing the rights of the Mormons (poor babies), or it's just not that big a deal, and what are we crying about? They can't seem to be able to pick one. I see the same sort of thing in our local paper's letter to the editor section, so I know this isn't just a fluke.

Also, I have been told that it's not like gay people can't have a traditional, straight marriage, so they really have the same rights as everyone else. I just don't even know where to start when the stupid is that stupid. At a certain point, I simply want to blame Republicans for our declining public school system, and the complete lack of critical thinking.

critical thinking isn't multiple choice.

It's going to change, and it will be in their lifetimes, so you can have some pity for the stupid. The kids support gay rights, so the argument is effectively over. I feel bad for all of my friends and neighbors who can't have this now, but I've seen the homomentum (as Shakes Sis calls it) and over the course of my life, it's been building exponentially. The Haters are on the losing side of the demographic.

Echoing Maitri's comment here - 'cept, in my case, from the people who are not immigrants 8-P.

My in-laws voted no on Prop 8 out on the Left Coast. My husband and sister-in-law were incredulous. "How does that HURT you?" my husband asked my MIL over the phone in disbelief when he first heard. Because he couldn't fathom any other possible reason for such a vote denying a commitment many others can make when their loved one is of the opposite sex. Well, he COULD, but he was too polite that say to yell "BIGOTRY" aloud.

My MIL was a tad ashamed, to her credit...but this WILL come up again, and we'll have to just come out in greater numbers, watch and wait, until there is change.

The votes have been very disappointing but there has been progress. 20 years ago, support by mainstream pols for any kind of gay rights was tantamount to career suicide. I wish things were moving more quickly in the right direction but they are.

Thanks for the inspiring commentary!

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